tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15768887.post5206763915457958538..comments2024-03-09T18:57:10.942+13:00Comments on Liberty Scott: Using Koran as target practiceLibertyscotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12741049550997300680noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15768887.post-77272536925935382052008-05-20T13:53:00.000+12:002008-05-20T13:53:00.000+12:00Hi Zen .. given that Scott's said pretty much what...Hi Zen .. given that Scott's said pretty much what I would have said (directly above), I'll leave it at that. <BR/><BR/>But if you will use provocative words like "protect" with regard to the state ... :)<BR/><BR/>Glad to see you reiterate that you're not in favour of banning this & that. So, seriously, why aren't you a libertarian?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15768887.post-70279737925148578362008-05-19T23:53:00.000+12:002008-05-19T23:53:00.000+12:00There is a right to be offended, absolutely. I sa...There is a right to be offended, absolutely. I said there is no right to NOT be offended, i.e. no right to prohibit things that offend people. Zen I think we are on the same page with this. I fully support your right to express what you find offensive.<BR/><BR/>The flasher example is interesting because it very much goes beyond free speech and just short of initiating force - although it is Libertyscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741049550997300680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15768887.post-33672659292405456352008-05-19T23:12:00.000+12:002008-05-19T23:12:00.000+12:00Oh, and when you say "which rights", this all star...Oh, and when you say "which rights", this all started when libertyscott people don't have a right to an opinion (the ability to express they feel offended by something).<BR/><BR/>Note that "right to be offended" does not equate "right to make it unlawful", that's just an assumption I'm trying to dispel here, because step one of PC behaviour is to end free expression of opinion, which this kind ofZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15768887.post-24487134555075330002008-05-19T23:09:00.000+12:002008-05-19T23:09:00.000+12:00Sus, you tread on dangerous grounds when you accus...Sus, you tread on dangerous grounds when you accuse me of wanting to ban anything. It's this little thing I like to do where I say something and wait for libertarians to assume I'm immediately going to ban it :-)<BR/><BR/>Most of the time, I just like to clearly state my opinion on what I find offensive or not, and why I don't think it a positive force for society to put up with certain ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15768887.post-19956372263731638562008-05-19T18:33:00.000+12:002008-05-19T18:33:00.000+12:00Hell, is Telecom going to go postal on me for usin...Hell, is Telecom going to go postal on me for using their phone books for ballistics testing!Oswald Bastablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828229103486326473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15768887.post-70807927330897316592008-05-19T15:47:00.000+12:002008-05-19T15:47:00.000+12:00Zen, perhaps it's best put thus:"My idea of a free...Zen, perhaps it's best put thus:<BR/><BR/>"My idea of a free society is one in which it is safe to be unpopular". (Adlai Stevenson).<BR/><BR/>You tread on dangerous ground when you talk of banning offensive actions should they breach people's rights, etc. Which rights? What offensive actions? How do you define them? Where do you draw the line?<BR/><BR/>I'm reminded of one militant UK-based Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15768887.post-82983117010439619782008-05-19T13:34:00.000+12:002008-05-19T13:34:00.000+12:00Of course people have a right to be offended. Why...Of course people have a right to be offended. Why shouldn't people get upset over things that matter to them?<BR/><BR/>The issue, I would think, is that do offended people have any sort of right to ask to not be offended by the specific action in question?<BR/><BR/>Again, there will be cases where some offensive actions also breach people's rights in other areas, and as such, should be protectedZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.com