Saturday, November 08, 2008

Dear Helen Clark

Good for you conceding graciously and resigning.

You've learnt enough in politics to resign in dignity, as you've done worse. 1996 saw Labour's worst ever result with the first campaign you led the party into, in the meantime you have managed to decimate virtually every party you govern with - the Alliance and NZ First out of Parliament, United Future a one man band along with Jim Anderton. However, your greatest victory must surely be to have essentially "won" with the punters on policy. You got re-elected twice after increasing taxes, increasing the size of the state, pouring people's money into expanding welfare, state health and education, and increasing regulation and subsidies. It is what people wanted. National has been elected, largely on a platform to not alter what you've done in most cases. No privatisation, no essential change in state health and education, no end to Working for Families, Kiwisaver or the Cullen Super Fund. No end to ETS, or the anti-nuclear policy. Imitation is the highest complement, so you shouldn't fear your legacy - National was not elected on dismantling it. The views I support did not win National the election.

You've led three governments I have, almost without exception, disagreed with vehemently. You changed the law to get around the illegality of campaigning in 2005 with taxpayers' funds. You implemented many policies unannounced at the previous election. However, most of all you regarded the "state as sovereign", your love of the state and what you think as it being helpful has appalled me, but I give you credit for one thing. You still have some principles you hold onto dearly, and you, by and large, have stuck by them. Trade unions, state provided health, education, welfare and housing, state directed spending on the arts, telecommunications, transport and embracing the ecological agenda. A barely shrouded dislike of US foreign policy as well, has been part of your administration. If there is one thing to admire about you, it is that you've believed in all of this, fought it, and been determined to be consistent about that. It is more than most National Party leaders do.

So I hope you step back, resign as member for Mt Albert appropriately, and write a book. I hope, as you'd expect, that the National/ACT government does dismantle much of what you have done. That does not include civil unions and legalising prostitution - though neither measure was a government one, they were measures that did advance freedom a couple of steps. However, freedom is more than that - it is the chance to make your own choices about how you spend your money, about you and your families healthcare and education, and about adults interacting voluntarily - not having a finger pointing nanny telling them what's best. New Zealanders deserve far better than that. You spent nine years enjoying a healthy economy because of what two previous governments did to ease the size and extent of nanny's pointing finger - the free ride is over.

Goodbye, farewell, amen to you - but your policies? Well, don't worry too much.

24 comments:

Redbaiter said...

"I hope, as you'd expect, that the National/ACT government does dismantle much of what you have done. That does not include civil unions and legalising prostitution - though neither measure was a government one, they were measures that did advance freedom a couple of steps."

Completely wrong actually. You need to bone up on communist strategy. The destruction of the family unit and religion are two of communism's most important goals. That is why the ideologue Klark and her colleagues introduced these measures. Ask yourself for fuck's sake. Would this crowd of extreme left zealots ever do anything that really advances the cause of freedom???

Anything that weakens the family unit and the Christian religion helps communism. They know it. Most people with a clue know it. You need to know it and stop making a fool of yourself with such simpleton ideas about liberty. Klark will never do anything to "advance freedom", and while you naively support this transparent bullshit, neither will you.

Just read about it for fuck's sake. Its not rocket science.

libertyscott said...

Yes all those communist countries with liberal laws on homosexuality and prostitution. Oh yes, none.

Leave peaceful people alone you angry conservative prick. If two people of the same sex want to get married it is none of your damned business.

Oh and Labour did completely deregulate the apple and dairy markets, and did sign liberalising air services agreements with plenty of countries. Much went the other way, but a handful of areas went as if National were still in power.

Redbaiter said...

"Leave peaceful people alone you angry conservative prick. If two people of the same sex want to get married it is none of your damned business."

Its a measure of your childlike political naivity that you think that is what it is about.

Keep sucking the commie kool aid loser.

libertyscott said...

So go on, why shouldn't they, other than it is a "communist plot"? I know what communists do to families, but they don't use same sex marriages to do it.

I've known same sex couples, proud capitalists who own businesses and strongly anti-capitalist - but fuck em right? Don't let them form legal partnerships because it's a plot of Marxists.

I'll drink the champagne while I fly business class to New York next weekend to stay in a 5 star hotel for a week - yes ouch, I'm a loser, makes me bleed. Guess Virgin Atlantic is communist with those red planes too!

You really need to get the anger looked at though, it gets in the way of reason.

Enjoy reading all the pro-communist posts on this blog, and tell me when you find them too, I'm be sure to send Kim Jong Il my regards.

Redbaiter said...

" So go on, why shouldn't they, other than it is a "communist plot"? "

"Yes all those communist countries with liberal laws on homosexuality and prostitution. Oh yes, none."

These two comments, the first a question that betrays incredible political naiveté (especially from one who postulates so endlessly), and the second betraying that you're still a light year away from grasping the point are pretty good indications that you're well beyond enlightenment.

Sure there's no such "freedom" (as you mistakenly call it) in communist countries. That's because you're talking about outcomes while I'm talking about long term strategy. The objective is the gradual erosion of obstacles to communist rule. After they have that rule, they can do what they want.

That's why I have to laff at your pretentious assumption of the name "Liberty" when you're unwittingly doing the anti-liberty left's bidding for them, and in your misguided enthusiasm for the subject concepts are actually lengthening the path to liberty rather than shortening it.

The main bulwarks against state control of the citizenry are the traditional family and the Christian religion (in this country). Once they are gone, there is no countering influence to the communist doctrine peddled by the state, and the way is then clear for them to expunge from society any thought that conflicts with their political aims.

Even now in NZ, while the left attack the family and Christians (why do you think they were so enraged by the Brethren's actions??) they simultaneously expand their grip on education and especially early childhood care. The long term goal is to remove children form the influence of their parents/ church and instill into them the values that socialists/ communists consider supreme. If you can't see it happening you're in a worse state than I originally thought.

I'm surprised you need this explained to you. As I have already asked, just read a bit more widely. Its no conspiracy. No secret. Its standard communist methodology. I'm not religious, but I support religion and the family because I know the left's prime objective is the destruction of those two entities.

Lance said...

"Leave peaceful people alone you angry conservative prick"

Quoted for emphasis!

"Sure there's no such "freedom" (as you mistakenly call it)"

It's a mistake to call leaving consenting adults alone (in regards to prostitution) "freedom"? Fuck me.

And as for civil unions - so long as the state is affording special dispensation to heterosexual romantic partnerships (be they "breeders" of "traditional" families or no)... it's not a freedom issue per se, but it's certainly the wrong kind of discrimination.

libertyscott said...

You still can't tell me why a same sex couple shouldn't have the right to have a contractually binding partnership. That's evasion.

Nor can you say why someone who willingly chooses prostitution as a job shouldn't be able to sell that service to a willing consumer without being thrown in prison.

Who do YOU think you are interfering with what peaceful people do? They hurt NO one else.

and name a single country which liberalising prostitution and laws on homosexuality before instituting communism.

Christianity has sometimes been a strong influence for state control in NZ. It fought legalising homosexuality, but I guess you think throwing single men in prison for having sex with each other is part of the fight against communism. It was vile and disgusting that people were imprisoned for that, but maybe you think Alan Turing - the man who deciphered Nazi code during WW2 - and was gay, and faced criminal charges as a result - was a communist.

It's funny because I loathe state education, I want it removed - you want to keep it because you vote National. State education does more to turn children into state worshippers than anything else.

You can see how passionately the unions and the left hold onto this. If you were arguing that was eroding the family and individualism, I'd agree.

Redbaiter said...

"you want to keep it because you vote National"

You really are a twisted little boy aren't you. How could you possibly read and COMPREHEND what I have written above and deduce that I support state education. For fuck's sake.. Anyone with half a brain understands that Conservatives consider state education an evil. As I do. Did you even read what I wrote above?? What the fuck are you? Someone who lives in a cave? Does everything fly so easily over your head?? You're so superfical I bet you walk six inches above ground.

Lance said...

"Who do YOU think you are interfering with what peaceful people do? They hurt NO one else."

But they do Scott! They do!

NSFW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ0oFTZ_J1E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af19IpX3HvU

Sturminator said...

Hey godboy. Unfortunately the great ghost in the sky doesn't exist, so if you think you can hold communism at bay by having them hold on to a childish fantasy you are deluded, which I guess is tautological in this case anyway.

Unfortunately if you want to fight socialism you are going to have to repair to reason and reality every so often, otherwise you are going to get rightly laughed out of town every time.

Of course the left want to nationalise children. But prostitution and homosexual rights are issues pertaining to consenting adults. Nothing to do with families or the relationship between parents and their children. The real issue for you is that those acts just offend your christian sensibilities. Tough luck I say.

libertyscott said...

Redbaiter: You hate state education, you vote for a party that pledges to spend more money on it and to do nothing to change the status quo.

You're either lying about hating state education, don't really care that much about it(voting for something else but ready to sacrifice that point), or are schizophrenic.

Keep evading the question about same sex couples, it ensures the big blood vessel on your forehead keep pulsing. Do you often win arguments with insults?

Anyway, throw the prostitutes in prison right? Damned whores break up families and that encourages communism - so let's criminalise them engaging in a consensual act with others, whether or not they have families.

You really do need to talk to a therapist about these bizarre non-sequiter views. Why can't you let consenting adults do as they wish with each other on their own property? Can it be so bizarre to assume that many people supported legalising prostitution because they believed what two consenting adults do on private property shouldn't be something that is criminalised?

Redbaiter said...

"Anyway, throw the prostitutes in prison right? Damned whores break up families and that encourages communism - so let's criminalise them engaging in a consensual act with others, whether or not they have families."

That's what will happen when the ultimate outcome of you politically ignorant perceptions are realised. As I said right at the start, with your political naivety and your shallow thinking patterns, you're a bigger threat to freedom than any Christian or Conservative.

Try thinking a bit further than your trendy homosexual liberation doctrines. It seems to be all that the Libertarianz are focused on these days, and one of the main reasons I've long lost faith in them. Half educated navel gazing losers without any real political clue, and driven by narcissism rather than any real concern for freedom.

Redbaiter said...

See- the fuckwit Sturminator comes on here so arrogantly preaching and is simultaneously too fucken stupid to read and/or comprehend anything that has been said before. That's why you're a threat to freedom. You're ignorant uneducated and stupid. Always the fodder for communism.

Sturminator said...

I read what you wrote, knob-end. You think that (a) family and christianity are a bulwark against communism, even though you're not religious. And (b) you wrote that in the context of criticising liberalisation of homosexual marriage and prostitution.

As I said, supporting a fantasy isn't going to make any difference to freedom in the long run.

And as I said, what has homosexuality or prostitution got to do with families, or with christians for that matter - other than the ones that stick their noses where it doesn't belong.

Redbaiter said...

"And as I said, what has homosexuality or prostitution got to do with families, or with christians for that matter - other than the ones that stick their noses where it doesn't belong."

That is not the issue dumbfuck. The issue is the breaking down of traditional morality in order to make it easier to implement totalitarian rule. Let me try and give you an example- Take the Hispanics that have come from Mexico to the US. The parents are often religious Conservatives and fiercely anti-communist. Their children, attending state schools are full of the same "progressive" shit you spout, and support the left wing of the Democrat party. The inter-generational conflict is destructive and just as here in NZ, can only serve one group and that is the left. All such "progressive" ideas, the ones you spout when you think you're so fucken "liberal", can be traced back to the communists.

You don't know what you're up against. Obama's mentor Bill Ayers was ready to liquidate 25 million Americans to implement his group's political goals. The only thing stopping him is that he lacks the power. Its idiots like you who will eventually, in your ignorance, give him that power, and you'll also be the first ones up against the wall.

BTW fuckwit, if you read the above as you claim, you'd have to be pretty dumb dumb to afterwards call me Godboy. So fuck off and come back when you're ready to be truthful. We can't debate when you're ready to lie to conceal the fact you're an idiot. No morality. See where it gets you??

Anonymous said...

Jeez...don't feed the trolls, already!

Redbaiter said...

"Jeez...don't feed the trolls, already!"

You pathetic little anti freedom of expression fuckwit. This site is dying. It needs traffic. Fuck off if that miserable braindead utterance is all you can contribute. Libertarian? You're worse with your intolerance for free speech than any fucken socialist you whiny little fag.

James said...

Traditional morality....bullshit!

Red...you are usually right a good 90% of the time ....this ain't one of those times....you are having you twisted arse handed to you by LS here...fuck off and wallow in hate else where.

The little matter of the historical fact of Socialist/Communist regimes persecuting and killing gays for being gay (Cuba et el) has obviously passed you by...

Redbaiter said...

"The little matter of the historical fact of Socialist/Communist regimes persecuting and killing gays for being gay (Cuba et el) has obviously passed you by..."

No it hasn't passed me by Jimmy, and you're another one who's missing the point. I'm trying to warn you that you are promoting a view designed to give those who would do those things to you the power they need to do them. Whatever you may think of your present situation, its a damn sight better now than what it would be if the commies ever did take over.

Sturminator said...

"The issue is the breaking down of traditional morality in order to make it easier to implement totalitarian rule"

Traditional morality needs to be broken down - it was rubbish in the first place. The point is that it makes it easier to implement, and is an essential part of, libertarian 'rule'. And as noted - even though you haven't addressed it - any morality based on some great ghost is nonsense anyway.

I think your argument is full of shit. You want to tap into an army of christians even though you don't believe in christianity. We'd like to tap into the christian market as well - but not at the expense of our principles, and in my case I'm certainly not going to hold back from saying what I think about christianity.

Why don't you promote what you actually believe in yourself, rather than justifying yourself by what others believe in. If you're not religious, as you claim, then let's hear you say that christianity is bullshit. If you actually believe homosexuals and prostitutes shouldn't have the same rights as others - as looks to be the case, judging by your "fag" epithet, your tough-guy posturing, and the way you bang on about family values - then come out and say it instead of dressing it up in some long-term strategy. Tell us what *you* think.

Redbaiter said...

"Traditional morality needs to be broken down - it was rubbish in the first place."

Exactly what any communist would say. Ignorant idiots like you will unknowingly do the ground work for the commies and as I have said above, you'll also be the first against the wall when their plans for power are realized.

Not that you would be any great loss. In my experience, people without any respect for traditional morality are usually pretty worthless examples of humanity.

The real problem of course is that you're not just narcissistic little white ants, but being so numerically insignificant, you would be fuck all help in defending freedom physically if that need ever arose. As well, given your political naiveté, you probably wouldn't even know what direction to shoot in. ...and when the society you apparently despise has fallen into the control of the collectivists, you can take your pathetic wittering about "epithets" to your new political masters, and see where it gets you then. Lame PC fuckwit.

Sturminator said...

Blah blah. That argument had already been understood. "Did you even read I wrote above?"

What do YOU think about Christianity? What do YOU think about homosexuality and prostitution?

Come on Mr Big Man. Let's hear it.

Redbaiter said...

"Did you even read I wrote above?"

I did actually, and I'm mystified by it, as you don't seem to be able to address the point, and are inexplicably fixated upon homosexuality and prostitution. Why? Are these two items important in respect of preserving liberty? I don't recall them being mentioned or even alluded to in the greatest document on freedom ever written, (the American Constitution) or even the Magna Carta.

In fact I don't recall them featuring in any of the great historical speeches or texts dealing with liberty. But to you, apparently transfixed by such issues, they seem more important than anything. Weird.

Also, these issues have only received increased attention in the last few decades, as "progressive" politics has expanded its global influence. Give you any ideas as to why that might be does it?

"What do YOU think about Christianity?"

I'm grateful to be living in a country (that until you Progressives" happened along) was one of the most free in the world. As are most countries that have strong ties to Christianity, and where society has developed in line with the teachings of the Christian churches. Prefer Iran would you?

"What do YOU think about homosexuality and prostitution?"

Fucken inane question. I hardly ever think about them at all, and consider them to be issues far from important in the struggle for freedom. I mostly only ever reference them in the cases of discussions like this, where I am trying to alert fuckwits like you to the errors of destabilising our Christian based western society because its exactly what the commies want you to do.

The irony is you do it in the name of freedom, when the outcome will eventually be far less freedom.

KG said...

What Redbaiter said. Exactly.